Gun Usage in Movies...

[miker]

i guess it depends how seriously you take the movie, and if that sort of exposition is worth showing to push the story forward.

a personal pet hate of mine is the dynamic of the broken bottle in the brawl. in my latest story we're trying to get a scene in where someone gets hit over the head with a bottle, and the bottle doesn't break and the guy who gets hit has concussion.

[SoulJacker]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Wouldn't that be more true to life, and therefor, infinitely more interesting then what we get now? </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

What, seeing someone reload a fukin' gun???? Who gives a flying *** anyway?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> a personal pet hate of mine is the dynamic of the broken bottle in the brawl. in my latest story we're trying to get a scene in where someone gets hit over the head with a bottle, and the bottle doesn't break and the guy who gets hit has concussion. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

How avant garde...

[Actor]

In this famous scene from Dirty Harry
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I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?
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After giving that little speech the bad guy gives up and then says "I gots to know." Harry points the gun at his head and "click", no bullets left.

At the end of the film he gives that same speach to Scorpio, who does feel lucky. BLAM, Harry had one left.

Count the shots. There's 6 in the first scene and 6 (counting the one that blows Scorpio away) in the second.

In the big shootout at the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid both of our boys reload then there's a big to-do about which one goes and gets the mule and more ammo. After these two reloads the director breaks the rules. I have not counted but the director's commentary on the DVD says that he wanted to gain the audience's trust by showing the first two reloads but that showing a third reload would slow down the story too much.

I don't usually count the shots but I think they usually are correct. It's become too much of a joke to let this kind of gaff slip by.

[Actor]

Then there's that 9mm Italian automatic (Glock? Beretta?) that has a 17 shot magazine and a very rapid recycle rate. Who can keep count without going through it frame by frame.

[Alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SoulJacker:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Wouldn't that be more true to life, and therefor, infinitely more interesting then what we get now? </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

What, seeing someone reload a fukin' gun???? Who gives a flying *** anyway?

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I think you can't really know because you've never seen it done, or done enough to accept it as standard operating procedure.

The fact that you find the idea ridiculous even without being exposed to a few films that do count their bullets and show the reload proves that we can be impressioned by what we see. You've come to expect that which you already have seen.

"Actor" brings up some brilliant scenes that incorporate the reloading of a gun. I think it's a whole new fertile ground for character development.

[Alex]

I feel cheated whenever I see a gunfight and never see the guns being reloaded. Is repeated gunplay without showing the reloading of the gun just an example of lazy filmmaking?

Wouldn't it make for better, (and more complicated) filmmaking, if filmmakers had to show the reloading of a gun after every x-amount of gunshots were fired from a gun?

Wouldn't that be more true to life, and therefor, infinitely more interesting then what we get now?

[Cinemaster]

Ah but if films with endless unreloaded bullets weren't made, how could anyone spoof them? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Starship Troopers is glorious in its use of amazing machine guns of infinite ammo, now if lesser films had not shown us this, how would i know to laugh?

i am of course joking, you are right, endless 30 shot revolver movies come irritatingly to mind, alongside a million american movies where people enter a front door and leave it open

[SoulJacker]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think you can't really know because you've never seen it done, or done enough to accept it as standard operating procedure. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

How the *** d'you know what films I have and have not seen? You condescending PRIK.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The fact that you find the idea ridiculous even without being exposed to a few films that do count their bullets and show the reload proves that we can be impressioned by what we see. You've come to expect that which you already have seen. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I am a drown. I only EVER watch z-grade **** . I have seen "to few films" to actually find the idea of someone reloading a gun after a magazine is spent the pinnacle (and true value) of gun-based cinema. Frankly, how have those ******** been getting away with such right-wing antics for all these years? The mind boggles.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think it's a whole new fertile ground for character development. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or maybe not.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I feel cheated whenever I see a gunfight and never see the guns being reloaded. Is repeated gunplay without showing the reloading of the gun just an example of lazy filmmaking? </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheated? - Nope.

Lazy filmmaking? - Nope.

Should annoying idiots like yourself be allowed to watch films which feature magical self-reloading guns? - Nope.

Wouldn't it make for better-- Nope.

? and therefor, infinitely more interesting then what we get now? - Nope.

But. But. But... You're correct on all accounts.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ April 02, 2003 07:43 AM: Message edited by: SoulJacker ]</font>

[Alex]

That was an example of someone firing off responses without properly reloading, nothing much came out.

Since your last post was hostile and non-responsive, I'll stick to the main point.

Movies that properly show the reloading of weapons are in the minority, the odds of you seeing more of those kinds of films versus fast food shooting is quite low. Not just for you, but for everybody. There was no condescension implied, it's the state of moviemaking today.

I re-stated a couple of movies that "Actor" had mentioned as having interesting story plots revolving around the reloading of a gun, all you did was ridicule the idea as being pointless when examples had already been given to counter that point.

Perhaps for some reloading a gun in a movie is like an actor stopping a love scene to use a rubber.

[SoulJacker]

Yes, yes, all well and good. But do I get Brownie points for posting "avant garde"?